Series of Articles on the Global Warming Deniers
In surfing around looking for Al Gore quotes I came across a series done by Canada's National Post on Global Warming Deniers. I have not read most of these at this point but I though that posting some quick links here for anyone else that was interested might be helpful. If you read any of these and have any comments that you would like to share on the material please feel free to add a comment below with the title of the article your are referencing.
National Post Series on Global Warming Deniers
Here is the current list of articles in the series:
- Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
- Reviewed here.
- Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
- The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
- Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
- The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
- The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
- Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
- The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
- Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
- Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
- End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI
- Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
- Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
- The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
- Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
- Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
- Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
- Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII
- Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX
- Gore's guru disagreed -- The Deniers XX
- The ice-core man -- The Deniers XXI
- Some restraint in Rome -- The Deniers XXII
- Discounting logic -- The Deniers XXIII
- Dire forecasts aren't new -- The Deniers XXIV
- They call this a consensus? - Part XXV
- NASA chief Michael Griffin silenced - Part XXVI
- Forget warming - beware the new ice age - Part XXVII
- Deniers XXVIII - Open mind sees climate clearly
- Deniers XXIX - Models trump measurements
EDIT #1:
Let me just say from the outset that I posted these because it seemed to be a nicely done series that was researched and written by a group that isn't, I expect anyway, viewed as being a completely right wing propaganda mouthpiece. As I said above, I haven't yet read all of these articles so I am not holding them up as some definitive proof of anything but they probably do a reasonable job of highlighting the areas of controversy in this debate.
I intend to read each one and provide a summary thereof along with my impressions of the points being made. If you have a quibble with the terminology used in the articles, please take it up with the publishers thereof. I write non of these articles.
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First impressions
Interesting stuff. Unfortunately, you've caught me at a real busy time, so I don't have time right now to delve into all the links here. hopefully later in the week I can write more.
My initial reaction, upon reading the first paragraph of the first article, was that he is creating a false dichotomy here. His "two broad camps" are those who think the science is "settled" and those who think the science is "far from settled." That leaves out the vast middle ground of those who think the science is not necessary settled, but certainly compelling enough to act upon. The language used really makes the "non-denier" camp seem to be the extremists and alarmists, and sets a biased tone right from the get-go.
There is almost always going to be a degree of uncertainty to any scientific prediction, but in this case, IMHO, the consequences of not acting and being wrong are far more dire than the consequences of acting and being wrong.
Again, I hope to get deeper into this stuff later, but for now, here you have my initial reaction and an idea about where I am coming from.
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
A little skeptical
because of how the articles are presenting the information. This isn't a field I know a huge amount about, but I DID notice one glaring omission in one of the first links I clicked on, describing Dr. Christopher Landsea's withdrawal
from the IPCC because of how they misrepresented his research.
The article implies that Landsea is a global warming denier (even lists his CV as "CV of a denier"). He isn't. In fact, he supports wholeheartedly the notion of human-influenced global warming, but he thinks that it won't have more than a minor effect on hurricane intensity/frequencey
.
This debacle may have been good evidence that the debate (and the science) have become politicized, but it's fundamentally dishonest to call Dr. Landsea a global warming denier, which he most certainly is not. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Instead, the article you linked to goes to great effort not to talk about Landsea's scientific opinion on global warming, and avoids entirely Landsea's discussion of why the science didn't justify the IPCC's conclusions. Why? Because the author would have had to acknowledge that Landsea agrees with climatologists about human-influenced global warming. "CV of a denier", indeed.
Now this is a story I luckily know, because I followed it when I happened. I hope you can understand that this strains my ability to read the ones I don't know with an open mind.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
Interesting
I've come across a similar thing in the only one I've had a chance to look at in detail: the first one about Edward Wegman. He is a statistician who was called in by congress (Committee on Energy and Commerce) to lend his statistical expertise regarding the "hockey stick" graph - which is from the 1999 paper by Mann et al. He has some very good points to make regarding the necessity to involve more statisticians in climate science. However, I can't find a single statement by him that would qualify him as a "global warming denier." (I think he is smart enough to know that as a statistician, he has credibility to comment on statistical methods and the conclusions of individual papers, but not necessarily the debate as a whole.) His report does say that the faulty statistics used by Mann et al do undermine the conclusion that the 90's were the warmest decade of the millenium (although apparently, redoing the statistics using his suggestions results in a very similarly shaped "hockey stick" graph). A later NAS review partially agreed, basically concluding that the 90s were likely the warmest decade in the past 400 years, but the data is a bit too fuzzy to conclude the same about the past 1000 years.
There's a whole lot more to this debate. There are definitely valid criticisms here, GoRight. And I learned a bunch more about it all just by looking at this one issue. I'm glad you posted these, and I will try to read through them some more.
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
Global Warming Statistics
The primary point of Edward Wegman's involvement is that the IPCC was utilizing faulty statistics in their analysis in the case that he reviewed. We have no idea how pervasive this problem might actually be. This may have been the only example thereof, but I suspect that many of the statistical results being reported by the IPCC have not undergone a review similar to the one Wegman performed and thus there is some possibility of a similar issue therewith.
So, the bottom line is that at least in the case of the data that Edward Wegman reviewed, the IPCC was reporting faulty conclusions. As you point out, the revised results may be similar to those stated previously but they are clearly less "dramatic" in nature. Minor disclaimer: I have not personally verified your claim of the revision down to 400 years, but I accept your assertion on its face at this time
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A few observations on your comment ...
(1) Dr. Christopher Landsea's decision to withdraw from the IPCC process IS a denial of AGW in that his conclusions is that AGW is not a significant contributor to the intensity of hurricanes in recent years, whereas the IPCC claims that it is. So, for the area of research that he specializes in, he denies the results that they are reporting. No more, no less.
(2) In the article that you link to, Quite the contrary, in fact.
, Landsea doesn't seem to be supporting AGW at all. His position in that article seems to be directly supportive of his position for withdrawing from the IPCC process as stated in his open letter
.
(3) Near the end of the article that you reference, Dr. Landsea goes out of his way (i.e. he wanted to "jump in" on the question to Judith Curry) to make the following point:
So in other words, he views the results of Judith Curry's research as being biased by the change in measuring techniques, NOT by AGW.
(4) I don't know Dr. Landsea's more general position on AGW. You seem to believe that he is a proponent of AGW just not in his own field of expertise. As I highlight in (2) above, I don't believe that the article you provided substantiates your claim of a more general belief. If you have anything more directly stating that I am open to hearing it. But on the surface, Dr. Landsea seems to be legitimately restricting his commentary to his specific area of expertise and in THAT area he denies the results of the IPCC report.
(5) The overall effect of Dr. Landsea's withdrawal are two fold:
(a) It directly refutes the claims of the IPCC as they apply to hurricane intensity, and thus reduces the over-all credibility of the report as it applies to the science described therein.
(b) We have no reason to believe that that Landsea's experience was in any way unique in this respect. So while it provides no direct refutation of any of the science in any other areas of the IPCC reports, it does introduce an element of doubt as to the veracity of the conclusions being drawn overall. You refer to this as "politicization", I refer to this as "faulty conclusions." In this respect we are both correct.
(6) See my edit to the diary above.
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Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
I am finally getting around to reading these articles and commenting in more detail ...
Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
I found this article to be an interesting read. The primary points I took away from the article were:
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The enemy here
is putting policy ahead of data.
"Deniers" and "supporters" will tend to find evidence to back their own view. Policy statements and vast conclusins should be avoided.
Best is to avoid all that by going to the data oneself. The IPCC reports are already at a high level of abstraction from the data, and one should go no higher.