Monday Open Thread

Happy Monday everyone! I didn't even finish all the basics of the website yet. So if you see any problems, please don't hesitate to point it out. I'll be posting a To Do List in a short while.

-- OJ is back in the news...
-- Bush selects ex-judge Michael B. Mukasey for AG post
-- Greenspan clarifies Iraq war, oil link

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Iraq Pulls Blackwater's Liscense

Blackwater liscense being pulled in Iraq

Interesting.

Tens of thousands of foreign private security contractors work in Iraq — some with automatic weapons, body armor, helicopters and bulletproof vehicles — to provide protection for Westerners and dignitaries in Iraq as the country has plummeted toward anarchy and civil war.

Monday's action against Blackwater was likely to give the unpopular government a boost, given the contractors' widespread unpopularity.

BAGHDAD - The Iraqi government said Monday that it was pulling the license of an American security firm allegedly involved in the fatal shooting of civilians during an attack on a U.S. State Department motorcade in Baghda.

I would guess that there will be pushback against this move by the US, specifically in regards to prosecuting members of Blackwater.

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can they do that?

I mean pulling the license of an entire firm like that?

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That's a good question

Since their govt is said to be weak it is hard to say how much real power the govt has. They can pass a law, but can they enforce it.

The article states that Blackwater is unpopular in Iraq, because they are said to have killed a lot of Iraqi civilians in a lawless manner.

The politician that said 'Blackwater must go' is tapping into a populist sentiment among the Iraqi's. So maybe this is an issue of a 'common enemy' that will help unite the different factions in the Iraqi parliament.

Not sure if Blackwater might be viewed by the Iraqi's as a Christian Army. If so it creates another faction and another spark in the flame, in the oil mix of tribal loyalties, Sunni, Shia and Christian.

Blackwater USA was co-founded by former Navy Seal Erik Prince, a "billionaire right-wing fundamentalist Christian from a powerful Michigan Republican family. A major Republican campaign contributor, he interned in the White House of President George H.W. Bush and campaigned for Pat Buchanan in 1992. He founded the mercenary firm Blackwater USA in 1997 with Gary Jackson, another former Navy SEAL.

Blackwater USA America's Holy Warriors

If they are viewed as the Christian Warriors from America, it seems fairly clear that the shooting deaths of civilians on Sunday that were blamed on Blackwater, and many other incidents of civilian deaths that have been blamed on Balckwater, has the potential to cause of lot of problems.

But like I mentioned it is interesting that the Iraqi government might have found itself a populist issue that could gel the various factions against a common enemy.

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OMG, it IS a holy war! (Not!)

See, once againhere you are with the holy crusade meme.  I though we discussed this yesterday:

Well, then, I guess it must NOT be a Holy Crusade

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This is going to get interesting (n/t)

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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They shot and killed 9 people.

Apparently innocent civilians in this most recent example. You can be that if Wells Fargo did that today in any American City, they'd be out of the security business the next day here.

The Blackwater guys are mercenaries. It's not like they are some dignified group that demands our support. If they can't control their guys, they don't deserve the business.

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we went over this before

these "mercenaries" you speak of in such a flippant manner are almost all ex-Special Forces, Marines, or Army vets of the US military. Sure they are working for a private company now, but they are good people.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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You have no idea if they are "good people."

There are good people and bad people in all walks of life. Your statement is far too generalized.

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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of course there are bad apples in all groups

but when I speak of a large groups of US military vets, I think of them as good people. Certainly not worth of being summarily disregarded as bad or evil or "undignified" mercenaries.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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We're talking about this case, Ender.

We shall see what the news brings, but they killed nine civilians.

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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about this case yes

let's wait and see.

But in a hypothetical situation, if a regular US military convoy is attacked and when they fire back Iraqi civilians are killed, what should happen? Are they justified?

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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These guys are taking orders from no one, Ender.

A military convoy operates under military rules. To compare the two situations is specious.

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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I took a little break

.. come back, and everything's changed around. You guys just felt like changing it, are there upgrades and new features, or is this some kind of feng shui thing?

http://wealthweekly.blogspot.com Wii FC:2805-8311-8040-2678 Brawl: 2277-7051-2186

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welcome back :)

There shouldn't be much change at all. Even visually it is not that different. Things should work the same. I am trying to get more functionality in here, but not much yet.

It should run a little smoother though (I hope).

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Yeah...

...what he said.

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Get Ready to Laugh...

Ladies and Gents.. news flash! Extra!

There's been a new entry into the Republican Field for President!

Yes, Alan Keyes has joined the game. I'm sure he's going to give Sen. Nunn F. D'Above (R-Frustrated) a challenge in the field. OK, enjoy your Monday.

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Alan Keyes must need money again...

And a jolt of publicity. I think when his cash flow slows to a trickle, he runs for something.

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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Purpleface Needs Your Vote!

Hehe. Voting ends 9/23, so do it today ;}

I entered the 12Avatars contest in Second Life. I plead insanity.

Anyway, if you have an SL account, or know someone who does, I'd appreciate your vote at the SL inworld voting location (Tellus III 209 / 253 / 24) Kiosk # 36, Panel A. There is a teleport link on my SL profile.

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"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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you got it :)

I'll make sure to cast a vote. Is there a meeting tonight?

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I moved the meetings to Tuesdays

worked better for my SL schedule. . . grin

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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haha

no problem :) I'll stop by for a quick chat.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Also, SL SC Meeting Tuesday at 5:30 PM Pacific Time

Here's a link to the events listing

8:30 eastern
7:30 central
6:30 mountain
5:30 pacific

See you there!

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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What do you win?

If there's no prize, there's no point in participating.

;-)

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Hehehe

They're picking twelve avatars for the first SL calendar. . . actually, they're picking ten, and professionally transforming two real-world beauties into SL avatars. The calendar will be published both in the real world and virtually in SL. Votes will determine the first two, and a committee will pick the remaining eight.

I'd look great as May, dontcha think? Besides, think of the potential links back here ;}

Hehe, there are 700 women entered. Well, the avatars are female, anyway. I don't have a snowball's chance. . . but, when you're voting, you can wander the kiosks and take notes.

And Prime, check your email please. I've relayed a message from somebody.

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Can't

Cant check my hotmail email at work.

Is that the email address you are talking about?

I survived the Bush Administration

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Yes, just check it tonight then (nt)

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Aw.. c'mon...

You gotta give me a hint at least....

...this is going to bug me all day.

;-)

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It's from Rosie

I can paste here if you want

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Please do!

I miss Rosie...

I don't mind if you post it here.

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Okie Dokey

I saw her at the Cancer benefit concert, and took the liberty of sending your hellos for you. Here's the conversation:

[15:42] Lodi McMillan: Rosie, Prime Peart would say hello, if she were here.
[15:43] rosie Peart: GIVE HER A BIG MUSHY HUG FOR ME PLEASE !!!
[15:43] Lodi McMillan: I will. She is inworld occasionally. Can I tell her when you might be here?
[15:44] rosie Peart: i wish i could say......it all depends on how hard chemo is hitting me from day to day......right now im on chemo and radiation so i dont get on much
[15:44] Lodi McMillan: We wish you all the best. I know she's thinking of you.
[15:45] rosie Peart: thanks so much Lodi.....i appreciate that

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Thanks!

Great to hear she's still battling.

Life's just been too busy for me to spend much time in SL lately.

Soccer started up, the new puppy, etc....

I'm not sure when I'd have time to get in again... but thanks for sending rosie a hello for me. She's a great person.

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To Do List

option should be active. Comments are enabled so feel free to mention any problems / suggestions there.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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I was amused this AM when I read this post on

Rudy Guliani trashing Hillary over the MoveOn/Patreaus/Betray US ad . Of course Rudy essentially says Hillary is a traitor and he's the only American capable of leading the US to WAR with every other nation on earth.....Oh? What? He doesn't want to attack every other nation on earth? Well, he hasn't announced it yet. that is. As soon as that tin foil hat of his cuts off the oxygen to his piddling little brain (his ego takes up so much room, something had to go), UK look out! You'll be on one of the short "To nuke today" lists.

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Pfft. (That's it, just Pfft.)

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I know Ender is, but I didn't think you were a

heterosexual right leaning blogger who loves them some cross dressing right wing nut job ex-NY mayor types....

I'd have been more sensitive if I had only known about your proclivities.

Then again, Rudy at least is being coy about it, unlike Romney who is playing both sides of the street as well .

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I'm not a Rudy fan ...

but I don't see any need to let you smear him without a reply.

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hahaha

Indeed!

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Ender doesn't care what Rudy does for fun....

So I don't consider that a smear. But you seem somewhat more straight laced. So I thought I'd throw it out there just for fun.

And really, I wasn't smearing anyone here, I was only commenting on what I've seen too many pictures of to count.

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Rudy with the Rockettes

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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Meh, peurile fantasies. More of the same from CLC.

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Your potential nominee is a well-known crossdresser.

Now get back in your stall.

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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Bah.

(1) He is not my potential nominee.

(2) You are the cross dresser, we see that with every post.

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I wish you weren't so boring.

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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And this is your idea of interesting?

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And I heard through the grapevine that Ender is starting

... an offshoot site that supports Rudy for the GOP nomination:

swordscrossedresser.org

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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haha

you have good sources.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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swordscrossed.com domain available

It was previously a site for some pirate game but it looks like they let it expire.

Dunno if we wanna buy that and redirect it here.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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cool, yeah I think we do want to grab that :)

I already have the swordscrossed2.org that we used during the site move last year, so might as well grab this as well. I'll email you.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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What is it, $35 for a domain name?

I'll kick in $10 or $20.

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nah

like $16-18 total (and it's that much only because I make whatever I purchase private). Public is just $8-9 a year.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Students for the 2nd Amendment

I'm glad to see some of today's students taking an active role in championing the 2nd Amendment:

Students Aim To Form Club That Promotes Gun Ownership

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Hunters fight back ...

If you click through the NRA site to the actual article it is a good read.  I'll provide a subset of the points raised:

Our Honorable Hunters And The Pain-In-The-Butt Tree Huggers

  • Hunters donate tons of meat to food pantries, pay the fees that expand wildlife conservation programs, keep national parks preserved, and protect motorists’ lives.
  • Hunters are true nature lovers and conservationists and are the first to report poachers who disregard laws that protect wildlife and natural habitats.
  • Hunter-funded conservation groups are primarily responsible for bringing back American wildlife that was nearly extinct in the last century.
  • Hunting is safer than soccer, football, baseball, cheerleading and ping pong.
  • California game managers must wait ‘til a cougar threatens a human before they can rock its world. How sweet. Because of this brain fart, today the number of people that naughty cougars have killed has doubled from what it was before cougar hunting was banned.
  • Deer kill ten times the number of people as sharks, cougars, bears and alligators combined, as well as more than commercial airline, bus and train accidents combined.
  • When the greenies protected the alligators on Sanibel Island, Florida, the alligators ate the tree huggers and their dogs!
  • Bear attacks are at an historic high, and you’re more likely to be attacked by a bear where hunting isn’t allowed—like in a national park.
  • Bears with no fear of humans often attack after hearing gunshots—a diner bell that a deer or elk is waiting for them—and thanks to the tree huggers, hunters can’t do anything about it.
  • Aviation collisions with wildlife cost $500 million annually.
  • Livestock losses to predators cost $71 million annually.
  • Hunting protects trees from being destroyed by scavenging deer. Those trees help protect land from erosion and house songbird populations.
  • Vegetarians who don’t eat meat because they love animals are eating vegetables from farmers who kill deer, rabbits and vermin that would destroy the vegans’ lunch. Remember that, hypocrites, when you crunch your little baby carrots and worship your edamame beans.

I find the last point to be particularly funny.  :)

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the last point

is pretty funny I agree :)

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Well...I say we start hunting

baby carrots and edamame beans with a vengence. Plus, I notice that the CA Dept of Fish & Game doesn't have a stamp, nor a hunting limit on those evil things GoRight warned us about.

Honey crack out my hunting rifle. We gonna bag us some veggies!!!

Seriously though....2 people have been killed by mountain lions in the 30 years I've been out here. And you are more than wrong about not being able to defend yourself from bear in the wild. It they come after you, you're allowed to defend yourself with whatever you have at hand, including guns. If you kill one, you have to report it, that's all.

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RE-Defeat Communism

No Hillary in 2008!

That was the theme I just saw on an ad for a right-wing tee-shirt.  Once again the conservatives out there can spot a communist in sheep's clothing (note reference to Democrat Leadership from DailyKos ad a while back)!

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I very much like the banner slogan,

by the way. Well... the second half. ;)

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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hehe

well it's from your buddy Bubba :) I do like it too but others are not as enamored with it.

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From the Hard-hitting files

1 in 3 men don't wash after bathroom visit

"Guys need to step up to the sink," said Brian Sansoni, spokesman for the Soap and Detergent Association, which co-sponsors the survey and related education campaigns.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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When I was a kid, I worked at a country club,

... shining shoes and cleaning up the locker room. One day, I was cleaning the sinks in the bathroom and a guy finished up at the urinal and walked out without washing. Another guy who was at the urinal finished up, came over, washed his hands and, nodding toward the guy who just left, said, "That's why I never shake hands with anyone at this club."

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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funny

I was just wondering how exactly were they observing those people who weren't washing. Was it Sen. Craig's style observations?

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Reminds me of my favorite joke...

A Pitt fan and a West Virginia fan both went to the men's room at Heinz Field during halftime of their annual game. After doing their "business" in adjoining urinals, the Mountaineer proceeded to the sink to wash his hands while the Pitt fan started to walk toward the exit.

The Mountaineer loudly cleared his throat and arrogantly proclaimed, "You know, at WVU we learned to wash our hands after urinating."

To which the Pitt fan replied,

"At Pitt, we learned not to piss on our hands."

;-}

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Ex Federal Reserve Chairman Greenspan says:

"Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton "the smartest presidents" he worked with, according to an advance copy of his upcoming book. He went on to say that his opinion of President George W Bush was "that he is dumb as an ox....No, I take that back", he continues,"that unfairly maligns oxen all over the world". He then carefully compares George W Bush to being on par with a nail. "Not just any nail, only the really dumb ones".

Slightly embellished, but Phaux News accurate!

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Well, he got it half right.

Nixon was a pretty smart guy.

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Not smart enough, apparently...

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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Not because he was dumb, but because he put

the country ahead of himself.  When people under him made mistakes he didn't pass the buck or drag the country through the mud.

This is something we have never seen with Bill Clinton, or his submissive handmaiden Hillary.

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heh heh

When people under him [Nixon] made mistakes

GoRight code:

When a Republican breaks the law, it is "making a mistake".

"Oops! I accidentally broke into Democratic headquarters! Darn it, I'm so damn clumsy sometimes!"

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Whatever. The point being that they were acting on their own.

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Too cool not to share

Sunset at the North Pole

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"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."  --R. Heinlein

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Sweet n/t

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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You do know it's photoshopped, right?

It's a nice picture, I'm just saying it's not even remotely real. Actually it kind of looks like the whole thing might be computer generated (with something like bryce).

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Who's to blame for Global Warming? Jane Fonda, of course.

Seems that her anti-nuke crusade may have had unintended consequences:

'NYT' Sunday Preview: Jane Fonda to Blame for Global Warming?

By E&P Staff

Published: September 14, 2007 1:50 PM ET

NEW YORK In their regular "Freakanomics" column which will appear in this Sunday's edition of The New York Times Magazine, Stephen J. Dubner and Steven D. Levitt, pose this question: "If you were asked to name the biggest global warming villains of the past 30 years, here's one name that probably wouldn't spring to mind: Jane Fonda. But should it?"

The authors observe that Fonda's antinuclear thriller "The China Syndrome," which opened just 12 days before the Three Mile Island accident in 1979, helped stoke "a widespread panic." Fonda became a high-profile anti-nuke activist in an already-strong movement. The nuclear industry halted plans for expansion. "And so," they continue, "instead of becoming a nation with clean and cheap nuclear energy, as once seemed inevitable, the United States kept building power plants that burned coal and other fossil fuels. Today such plants account for 40 percent of the country's energy-related carbon-dioxide emissions.

"Anyone hunting for a global-warming villain can't help blaming those power plants -- and can't help wondering too about the unintended consequences of Jane Fonda."

Of course, there were many other factors in the nuclear industry decline, including cost over-runs, disposal of nuclear waste, the threat of terrorism and numerous other accidents beyond TMI. Then there was, ahem, Chernobyl. But the columnists cite the "big news" that with global warming fears mounting, "nuclear power may be making a comeback in the United States," with plans for two dozen reactors on the drawing boards.

Will they get built? The authors conclude that "it may all depend on what kind of thrillers Hollywood has in the pipeline."

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GoRight and other IE users

have you noticed any random logouts?

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Not me.

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GoRight, could you please check the bullet lists

like the one in ToDoList link and see if they look any better?

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Sorry, no change.

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now? :)

[edit] Weirdly IE7 is crawling now (scrolling down via mouse wheel) through the main page... wth...

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Sorry, still nothing.

IE version 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254

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I am also updating my Win2K box to the latest

patches and will try IE6 there too.

I also have a version of firefox on that machine so I will compare and let you know if I find anything weird.

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sounds good, thanks

I am still reading through the various drupal forum threads to see if there is a solution.

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Test post for IE6 on Win2K

IE 6.0.2800.1106 with lots of updates.

EDIT:

Refresh problem on IE6 on Win2K may be better but I need more tests first.

Bullet lists on To Do List are still messed up.  :(

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heh

why aren't you using IE7 or Firefox? :)

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IE7 was buggy and giving me problems

with various sites.  I don't like the interface much either.  Firefox is OK but it is slow.

IE7 may be better now, but I just haven't switched.

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Greedy Hillary still wants Hsu's money.

Michelle Malkin raises a good point about the laundering scheme coming out of the corruption wing of the Clinton campaign.  Even if she refunds the money and then accepts the money right back from the "donors" the money STILL came from Hsu and is tainted money in violation of campaign law.  Rather than respect the law it is clear that the Clinton campaign intends to try and circumvent the law, something that we are all too familiar with from the 1990's when Hillary's lord and master Bill ran afoul of campaign finance laws.  Seems these people can't find a campaign finance law that they aren't willing to break.

These tactics are eerily familiar raising questions of just who is running the this Clinton campaign and just who we would be electing.  Is Hillary just going to be Bill's puppet in the Oval Office as she apparently is on the campaign finance planning?  We already know that Hillary is his submissive handmaiden from the 1990's when he publicaly disgraced her before the entire nation and she was too weak to make a break from the abuse.

Hillary is just Bill's end run around the 2 term limit as far as I can tell. You have to give him credit for finding the sneakiest ways to thwart the law at every turn.

 

Hillary was warned about Hsu; Update: Clinton campaign wants to re-purpose the dirty money :

 

See-Dubya follows the tainted rinse-and-spin cycle:

If the worry is that Hsu was using at least some of these people as fronts so that he could exceed the federal limits on how much he could donate to Hillary, then how will the money be any less tainted if they re-gift it to her? I.e., if Hsu cuts John Doe a check for $100,000 and asks him to spread it around among Democrats A-Z, then giving that money back to John so that he can give it right back to you doesn’t “cleanse” it. It’s Hsu’s money; John never should have had it in the first place. If you donate the money to charity and then hit John up for a donation from his own bank account, that’s fine. But that ain’t what she’s planning to do. Exit question: Why not at least wait until the DOJ investigation of Hsu’s bundled donations is over so you know which donors are clean and which aren’t?

Answer: Because they don’t care.

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What? Hillary hasn't "suicided" that guy yet?

What's she waiting for-- Christmas?

Michelle Malkin raises a good point about the laundering scheme coming
out of the corruption wing of the Clinton campaign.  Even if she
refunds the money and then accepts the money right back from the
"donors" the money STILL came from Hsu and is tainted money in
violation of campaign law.

Can you explain to me what law is being broken, and how it is being broken?  I'm just not all that up to speed on the intracacies of laws pertaining to campaign contributions, and I'm not going to just take Michelle Malkin's word that "the law" is being broken.  I want chapter and verse from the law, and I want a detailed indictment.

Hillary is his submissive handmaiden

You realize that when I see you incessantly repeat hogwash like this, I read it as "GoRight's got nothin new on Hillary".  I'm petty sure that if you really had some great new smoking-gun type dirt on Hillary, you wouldn't have to resort to the same old same old.

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When it rains, it pours ... Dirty Democrat Fundraisers

Seems like the Democrats have not one, but two Jack Abramoffs in their closet.  First it was Norman Hsu, and thanks to Michelle Malkin now we find out about ...

Another dirty Democrat fundraiser: William Lerach pleads guilty to conspiracy

Well, now Lerach may be headed to jail. *  The Washington Post reports tonight:

William S. Lerach, one of the nation’s best known and wealthiest plaintiff lawyers, is preparing to plead guilty as early as today to a single criminal conspiracy charge that could send him to prison for up to two years, according to sources familiar with the case.

Lerach, 61, resigned from his California law firm last month after intense speculation about his personal exposure in a lengthy federal criminal investigation. At the time, he said he wanted “to focus single-mindedly on putting the matter behind me once and for all.”

During his heyday, Lerach won settlements worth billions of dollars from major companies, including a record $7.3 billion payout from firms that helped Enron disguise its financial problems.

For seven years, federal prosecutors in Los Angeles have been probing allegations that Lerach and his former partners at the Milberg Weiss law firm enlisted people to buy shares in big corporations and then paid them to serve as plaintiffs in lawsuits. Government lawyers said that the payments, totaling more than $11 million, were not disclosed to judges or other investors and allowed Lerach and his team to arrive first at the courthouse to seize control of the class-action cases and to collect bigger slices of settlements or court victories.

Lerach is to plead guilty in court papers to be released as early as this week, with a court appearance following over the next several days, according to the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing.

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* Wow, there's even an Enron connection.  This guy helped Enron defraud its investors by covering up its true financial position.  Do the Democrats have no decency?

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Yawn. n/t

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Zzzzz, even :-)

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1. Trial lawyers support Democrats overwhelmingly (no secret)

2. Some trial lawyers are crooks (also no secret).

This guy's crimes seem to be related to his own lawsuits, not his campaign donations. So I don't see how this really stains the Democrats. The laws of large numbers dictate that when you have thousands of campaign donors, some of them are bound to be crooks.

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You're not playing fair, Skymutt...

As GoRight said in another thread, the Watergate burglars were acting on their own, even though they were employed by the President and were operating on the orders of senior members of his staff.

But when a trial lawyer, one of thousands of contributors to Democratic candidates, breaks the law... every Democratic candidate that received contributions from said lawyer knew what was going on.

Welcome to GoRight's world.

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The blue-bar rapid response team was quick this morning!

All of GoRight's misinformation about Democrats has been thoroughly debunked before the coffee's even brewed!

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Sorry, no debunking in sight.

Except for the one point I conceded below.  "from"?  "for"?  What's the difference?  The look the same when you are reading quickly...  :)

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Abramoff was charged with and convicted of...

..."conspiracy to corrupt public officials".  Lerach pled guilty to "conspiring to obstruct justice and making false statements under oath" .  Oops, nothing about government officials in the crimes of which Lerach was convicted.

You really think that if the Bush Justice Department had the goods on Lerach, they would let him of the hook on a conspiracy to corrupt government officials charge?  You think they wouldn't like to have a Democratic Jack Abramoff?  You know they would... unfortunately, this guy's trial is over, and evidently, the government had nothin' in regards to Lerach corrupting government officials.

So your comparisons with Abramoff? You can stamp a big ol DEBUNKED on that one.

 

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And your reasoning behind the same thing with Jack Abramoff was?

But when a trial lawyer, one of thousands of contributors to Democratic candidates, breaks the law... every Democratic candidate that received contributions from said lawyer knew what was going on.

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Jack Abramoff...

....Jack Abramoff actually was a lobbyist who was involved in writing legislation on behalf of congresscritters. Goes way beyond simple campaign contributions.

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And you atually believe that people give $Millions

with no strings attached?  You are naive aren't you?

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Not naive

Several points...

1. Extraordinary accusations require extraordinary proof.

We have proof of the quid pro quo with respect to Abramoff.

We're you're proof in this story?

2. Not all campaign contributions have strings attached. If two different donors give a large sum of money to a candidate, and they have two different (and mutually exclusive) agendas... obviously, at least ONE of the donors is not getting something for their money.

3. If it is your contention that all large campaign contributions have strings attached, then by induction you must believe that all donations to Republican candidates have strings attached as well.

Therefore, every Republican who has ever received a large campaign contribution from someone who was later guilty of a crime is guilty themselves by association. That is in effect what you are saying here about this trial lawyer and Hillary. Your (flawed) reasoning is:

A. Trial lawyer gives large amount of money to Hillary Clinton.
B. Trial lawyer subsequently found to be guilty of a crime.
C. Therefore, Hillary Clinton guilty of crime.

Using GoRight logic:

George Bush received millions in campaign contributions from Ken Lay, therefore George Bush is guilty in the Enron scandal.

If you reject that statement, then you're admitting your post about Hillary Clinton is bogus.

Can't have it both ways.

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Huh?

This guy helped Enron defraud its investors by covering up its true financial position.

The Post article says he "won settlements worth billions of dollars from major companies,
including a record $7.3 billion payout from firms that helped Enron
disguise its financial problems." So, winning lawsuits against the companies that helped Enron is considered helping Enron in GoRight-speak? Am I completely misreading something here? 'Cuz I don't get it.

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No you aren't missing a thing

GoRight got all tingly when he saw the name Enron in the story, but you're correct.  This guy had nothing to do with Enron's accounting fraud.

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I stand corrected.

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Suggestion: Make the statement in your Subject line...

... your new tag.

If you really believe this is the "fight of our lives," how come you're not in Iraq?

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