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Hypocrisy....I think that pisses me off more than the positions

politicians take. My latest flare up was Senator Brownbacks press release yesterday that he is outraged that China may monitor the internet use of hotel guests in Beijing for the Olympics favicon:

"We don't put the hardware and software on hotels. If there is a targeted individual that seems to be a likely prospect of terrorists, they must go through the FISA court and ask for a court to determine that there is probable cause to be able to listen in on that information."

Unless of course you are the bush43 Administration where Brownback kisses your slimy ass so you can completely bypass the FISA courts and install the evesdropping hardware directly to the telcoms main link-up points. I mean....wtf was Brownback thinking here anyhow? Does he really think that what the Chinese are doing is any different than what his patron Saint & Savior dubya is doing? Jeez, go figure!

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Unfortunately the contempt "charge"

is merely a recommendation from the committee. The full house would have to vote on it to give it even the appearance of teeth. That would require Pelosi to stand up to the GOP on something.

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And then

Mukasey et al. wouldn't prosecute anyway, which, mind you, is their job.

Where I come from, if you don't do your job, you get fired.

I wish I could work in the government.

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Skip Rove

Hold Mukasey in inherent contempt for refusing to take the previous contempt citations to court.

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Wrong remedy

Failing to do your job isn't contempt of Congress. It's dereliction of duty, which is an impeachable offense.

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McCain's Ferragamos...

Here's a very good link from Samefacts, A Reality Based Community: favicon

Ferragamo loafers: $520
Dolce & Gabbana blazer: $1,700
Battistoni custom-made shirt: $700
Galliano trousers: $1800
Fooling American voters into believing your opponent is an elitist: PRICELESS

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Second footnote

Most of the Senate and a good deal of the House inhabits a completely different reality than the rest of us due to their wealth.

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For some time

I've played around with this idea-

specifically the concept that a representative body that exclusively belongs to the uppermost socio-economic strata can't possibly represent the actual population at large.

I think that may be the real diversity challenge at this point. The commonality in terms of demographics about the powerful isn't race or creed. It's just wealth.

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Anybody who can identify designer clothes on sight is an elitist

If you can tell Ferragamo shoes on sight from a copycat pair from some offbrand at Kohls, you've spent time in a shoe store that sells Ferragamo shoes, and that makes you an elitist in my book.  Me, I've never knowingly been in the same room as a pair of Ferragamo shoes and thus am a pure and regular American.

I will also say that I've seen McCain wear a lot of clothes that look like what my dad wears, particulary the khaki colored zippered jackets that he wears in cool weather.  My dad's a depression baby who scoffs at anything with even a hint of high class to it.  So, if that's a designer jacket, I'll eat a horseshoe.  

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That's what the media is for

They have to tell us who is an elitist, because we regular people just aren't smart enough to figure it out on our own.

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skymutt you sucker!

Crosspost your crazy diaries! ;)

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"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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But he does include the crossposting link

on all his posts in that diary.

C'mon Ender....you'd love to be able to debate with some newbies.

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hehe it would be nice to see some newbies :)

skymutt is a republican nowadays so he can help.

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I got sidetracked

I probably would have cross-posted, but I got bombarded with comments over there-- at 4 in the morning-- and got caught up in responding. It's not really SC material anyway.

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They accept conservative republicans like you over there quite

well ;)

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Signs of hope

Bates, who was appointed to the bench by Bush, issued a 93-page opinion that strongly rejected the administration's legal arguments. He noted that the executive branch could not point to a single case in which courts held that White House aides were immune from congressional subpoenas.

"That simple yet critical fact bears repeating: the asserted absolute immunity claim here is entirely unsupported by existing case law," Bates wrote.

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Another lovely "This Modern World"

Sparky T. Penguin, Private Eye favicon

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Liberals threaten to kill an Alabama boy.

Oh, and note the size of the boar this kid shot:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394344,00.html favicon

Makes you kind of think twice about walking around the woods in Alabama, eh?

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Nice to see you back

And a conservative actually shot a few liberals. I can then assume all conservatives want to shoot liberals.

And you linked to Fox News! Double fail!

As the link indicates, the statue of limitations has gone into effect. Why there is a statute of limitations on animal cruelty, I have no clue.

I have absolutely no problem with hunting for food because wild animals live a much fuller life than factory farmed animals. In fact, I prefer people kill their own food rather than buy it at the supermarket. As long a substantial part of the animal is going to be used for clothing and food, I don't have a problem However, hunting simply to kill things should be a felony. Most respectable hunters follow this as an unwritten law, but there are some who don't.

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That's an old story. And the locals say the hog was domestic,

not wild.

Doesn't take much hunting skill or guts to kill a domesticated pig. Even one that big.

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The pig played with grandkids...

The hog was a pet of the old owner and wasn't wild and wasn't even feral. Fox News quoting inaccurate sources: "The Anniston Star reported that the feral hog was weighed at the Clay County Farmer's Exchange in Lineville." favicon

The father of the boy let his kid kill a pet. The father seemed to have "thought" it was feral, because killing feral animals was the only legal way to "hunt" the pig.

Not to mention there is no evidence the death threat in GR's article came from a "liberal" its far more likely its some 15 year boy with a computer and an internet connection.

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Skymutt, you ignorant sl*t!

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The obvious reason that retailers are going under is the increased cost of transportation caused by high fuel prices which, also obviously, is the creation of Democrat policies against drilling for more oil to meet the demand!

So even if your observation is correct, it is the Democrat's fault! 

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A slashdot post

this was in response to someone who also faulted Democrats for high gas prices

If we'd have opened up leases offshore and in ANWR at a time that would have made a dent in price, perhaps you may be right about gas prices. The leases would have needed to be issued about 10 years ago, when a barrel of oil was hovering around $20 (inflation-adjusted). The oil companies would have sat on these leases until...around now, which would still give us a good wait of 5 years for these places to come online and start producing oil.

Sir, you need to face the fact that there isn't going to be much more supply no matter how much we drill. Oil has very inelastic demand, so it's going to have to go up quite a bit more in order to balance out the supply-demand equation.

As I'm sure you know, oil is a global market. Adding a few million barrels of oil here and there isn't going to impact the price much at all. I'm more than willing to allow drilling everywhere and anywhere just so I can see the looks on the faces of the "OMG DRILL IN ANWR AND GAS WILL BE $1.25" crowd when prices adjust few percent at best.

I mean do you really think Exxon is going to sell domestically at below market price because they have some sense of patriotism? Oil goes to the highest bidder.

If we'd have opened up all the land for drilling 10 years ago at what price do you think oil would be? The only person you can fault for high gas prices is God for not creating enough dinosaurs.

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Hey don't blame me on drilling, I'm working on it!

I've been pro-exploration and pro-drilling since way before it became the Republican's one and only campaign issue with any shred of legitimacy, and put have worked to change hearts and minds on the issue by pointing out the benefits of drilling which might appeal to the sensibilities of Democrats (jobs, tax and fee income to the government which can be invested in priorities like infrastructure and education etc.)

I think there's plenty of blame to go around though. Let's look at this Republican administration's record:

--Bush wanted to play commander in chief in the Middle East, and as a result he has shipped enormous amounts of our nation's wealth over to Iraq where it has gone down a rathole.

--His spendthrift policies here at home, including sending out two rounds of borrowed money to the American People in the form of "stimulus checks" so that he could be the good guy while our future was being mortgaged in piles of debt, are coming home to roost in the form of the collapse of the value of the dollar.

--He had to be the good guy on taxes also, slashing taxes while the deficit skyrocketed because he couldn't say no.

--He had to be the good guy to the government bureaucracy also, unable to say no to outrageous new expenditures, time and time again spending money like a drunken sailor. As a side note, we have gotten all-time low ROI on our record government spending because all the unqualified, ineffective cronies and partisan hacks that have been put in charge of government.

--He wanted to be able to say that there was record home ownership in America so he could look like a hero, and so he let the mortgage industry run amok when the plain facts screamed for tighter standards.

--And now he can't say no to Wall Street, and we are seeing bailout after bailout after bailout.

Bush has been bad for the economy on so many levels it boggles the mind.

And who voted for him, two times? Why, that would be you and your ilk.

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LOL. Hey, I was just looking for an excuse to use

the SNL reference on you! :)

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Well there's so few red bar posts around here...

...that I have to take what few opportunities I have to get in a couple potshots!  You guys are slacking, must be depressed over having to choose between two libruls for president.

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Awww. Skymutt misses me! :)

I'm glad to see that your sunburn is gone, though! :)

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Welcome back! :-)

n/t

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Hehe

The red bar was just temporary, partly to protest "Democrat" unwillingness to compromise for the sake of needed action on energy.  I tell you what, this group will join the previous Republican Congress as one of the all time most ineffective in history.  If it weren't for flashes of brilliance from Obama now and then, I'd be seriously down in the dumps politcally-speaking.  Even Barack is way too conventional for my tastes on domestic policy.  Can you believe he favors ANOTHER round of stimulus checks favicon, as the deficit goes to new record highs-- AGAIN?? 

What am I saying?-- of course YOU can ;-)

The True Democrats are in hibernation, man. 

 

 

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Deep Breath Of Fresh Air!

Ahhhhhh!

Yes I agree on the lame performance of this Congress.

I do blame Reid and Pelosi for it though. Sorry.

Obama flashes appear to me as flares, flares of distraction. LOL!

I am not the JM fan I appear. I wish it had been different, but Obama scares the sh*t out of me.

We are in harmony with respect to the stimulus idea. Oh Brother?

Record high deficits...don't get me started!

JM is SO anti pork, and BHO is 350 Billion in the hole day?

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Blame away on Reid and Pelosi

Won't hurt my feelings none.  It goes deeper than that though.  It goes all the way up and down the aisles  on both sides, in both houses.  

It's time for another "throw em all out" movement.  There's a couple that would I'd miss (Jeff Flake, John Lewis, Russ Feingold, Kent Conrad, Ron Wyden), but when the overall result is so pitiful a house cleaning in order.

The American People need to take a long hard look in the mirror too.  We are soft.  The world at large is eating our lunch.

Obama is one of the few glimmers of light I see, and even there, I only see it sometimes, like when he swiftly took out the grinning demagogue that was Reverend Wright following his devastatingly excellent speech on race. Or when he had the integrity to side with Tom Coburn on earmarks because it was the right thing to do, regardless of what differences there were on other issues.  Or sometimes it's been just those forgotten moments during an answer session at a picnic, the ones where he really tells it like it is.  So I refuse to believe he's become one of the Washington Pod People quite yet.  Sure, when he comes out and say in a robot voice "Must. Send. More. Stimulus. Checks.", I get a little concerned that he is a member of the Washington Undead like all the rest, but I have to cling to something, don't I?

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I'm too bummed out at your response to answer...

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Heh

I'm still waiting for my high tax, low spending party.

IMO, a balanced budget amendment isn't enough. I'd demand we start paying back what we borrowed.

Time to get the government in a credit counseling plan!

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I agree!

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Oh no!

Can't have that!  We'd have to cut Social Security, Medicare.  Then we'd have to each take care of our old cranky parents in their old age-- what a drag!  We'd have to cut defense.  That would mean no more Shock and Awes to watch from our easy chairs-- Shock amd Awe was better than the Fourth of July!  We'd have to cut out the stimulus checks, probably right before the next version of the X-Box comes out!  Tell me that not getting a free X-Box frm the government doesn't suck!

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See, and I was being accused of being... LOL!

Ok, Peace,

But let's at least be able to debate the issues, not just throw around aspersions!

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WSJ Wonders if Obama is too Fit for the Presidency

I can't decide if this favicon is serious or not.

Facing an Overweight Electorate Barack Obama Might Find that Low Body Fat is a Drawback

The article literally states that, ".... in a nation in which 66% of the voting-age population is overweight and 32% is obese, could Sen. Obama's skinniness be a liability? Despite his visits to waffle houses, ice-cream parlors and greasy-spoon diners around the country, his slim physique just might have some Americans wondering whether he is truly like them.".

Another article stated that working out is now bad for Presidential candidates with an article about how "Obama Becomes a Gym Rat." In it, the reporter wrote, "Sometimes it's hard to tell if Barack Obama is running for president of the United States or Mr. Universe."

I think they are serious, which is just sad.

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I think its a joke

I assume the next article will be about how several years ago BHO spent hours a day playing Counter-Strike favicon and BHO was too 1337 favicon for all the other n00bs favicon that BHO constantly pwned favicon

BHO really needscourt the fat vote favicon

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Hey Man, you're better than that!

Don't let the thread drag you down ....put up a logical, intelligent response.

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The Church of Wal-Mart

suggest that you don't vote for Democrats.

If you ever wondered favicon who funds Republican campaigns.

To fight the efforts of scary unions or organized labor, Wal-Mart has been busy organizing and holding mandatory meetings with thousands of store managers.

Wal-Mart insists they aren't telling people how to vote by suggesting if they vote for Obama, they could lose their jobs and their way of life.

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It is the economy, stupid.

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Wal-Mart is "Death"

Wal-Mart insists they aren't telling people how to vote by suggesting if they vote for Obama, they could lose their jobs and their way of life.

Wal-Mart to it's employees:

"[If you vote for BHO and let him linger in the shadows of the White House, the consequences will be dire]"

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Technically they're right

If I was a Wal-Mart employee and voting for Obama would cause me to lose my job and way of life, I'd make sure I voted several times for the man.

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No Obama Bumper Stickers

at the wal_Mart Employee parking lot.

The part I don't like, is that the meeting was mandatory.

And "they' accuse liberals of indoctrination, while 'they' tell their employees how to think.

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Reminds me

When I applied to the local Meijer store, the lady at orientation said that the union and management had a good relationship and that there hadn't been any trouble in awhile.

I thought to myself, "then the union must not be doing their job."

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This is just B/S...

This is nothing.

But interestingly enough, instead of finding ways to address the energy issues hurting the American people, (that the Democrats have created to begin with by denying any attempts to build any new energy infrastructure in America for 20 years), Democrats went on vacation last night, they went on vacation for 5 weeks, while the Republicans are still there, YES, they are still there in session even as Nancy Pelosi and her cronies ar lying on a beach or schilling a book somewhere!

But, the good old liberals don't care, they just want to impeach GW, as Kucinich has been blabbering about, or now impeach Karl Rove as The People For The American Way is trying to make a stink about.

All ridiculous gestures in light of what America is facing at the pump!

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Interesting...

I never realized this completely the Democrats fault.

Thanks for enlightening us.

I take it your are from the Tom Delay wing of the Republican party.

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No, I'm from the astute observer...

...faction of the American people.

Where are the Democrats right now?

Why do Pelosi and Reid not EVEN LET THE CHAMBERS TAKE A VOTE?

Thats why we send them there, correct?

If there is a majority, which there is, why not pass legislation?

The Democratic congress IS NOT WORKING!

It is shameful that the Dem's are out lounging on paid vacation when there is work to do!

The Republicans are there, still, willing to work for there salaries, for the American people, and get something moving forward!

DISGUSTING!

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Gag!

If you want partisanship I will be happy to give you dose.

For now I am trying to be nice.

Let me just say that your are wholly mischaracterizing what is going on.

You seem to be getting your jollies off with the drama queen outburst.

Maybe for some extra fun this after noon you could go polish your gun and drum up some more disgust for the evil democrats, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, until you lather yourself into a nice heated frenzy.

Have a good time.

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:-) Great, articulate, pursuading response?

I am not trying to be a mean, angry guy, but I am pretty steamed about this issue, yes.

How, may I ask , am I "totally mis-characterizing" what is going on?

And whats with the gun comment? You really are a Obama supporter!

But hey, now that he's flipped on that one too, I will keep my guns, and rest assured they're already clean.

You seem to just roll along spurting out obscure, generalized complaints when any person says something you don't like, but never give any fact based, cohesive, arguments.

Very Obama like I might add! LOL!

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You have a stereotype of a liberal

etched in stone in your brain.

I doubt very much if I fit that image.

The Congress voted to end the session. The Republicans decided to stay and make a fuss.

"The talk-in was more spontaneous than planned. Mike , R-Ind., said that as the House’s regular session neared its end Friday morning, he and Price were talking about staging more than 100 five-minute special order speeches when Price said that if the House adjourned, “We should just stay.’’"

The House Adjourns, Republicans Linger to Bash Democrats favicon

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Ok, now we're getting somewhere...

Ok, and why are the Republicans staying, when they could be on vacation with the Dems?

Why are they "Bashing" the Dem's?

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And?

It's a scheduled vacation. Republicans (well at least conservatives) usually like when Congress isn't in session because less laws can be made.

Republicans are not "still there in session" because the House is not in session. If a majority so chooses they can show up on the 3rd of January, swear everyone in and then adjourn for the rest of the year.

If this was the other way around, you'd be the first to talk about the Democrats' wining. The whole charade is nothing but a publicity stunt. It's a good publicity stunt because it exploits the fact that most Americans don't understand the parliamentary procedure in the House nor the accepted powers of the Speaker, but it's a stunt nonetheless.

Oh and if only we could impeach W. I'll be for impeaching him long after he's out of office and long after he's dead. I'd rather not have to leave it up to the ICC to prosecute him, but I'll take that as well if we can't clean our own house.

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You high faluting son of a gun...

...Parliamentary procedures aside, why are the majority leaders wasting time and money by not allowing the house and senate to vote!

People aren't stupid!

They see how Pelosi and Reid have squandered any opportunity to get relief for the American people who have a problem getting around because of the cost of energy!

All the Republicans are saying is lets move ahead on all levels and purse an answer to this problem asap!

You should be ashamed of your party today!

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Nice guilt trip

After the evil tree huggers have been begging and cajoling to conserve energy look to alternative sources of fuel.

What is pathetic is we could have done something about this a long time ago but folks like you are so partisan you would rather poke sticks in peoples faces, call people childish names, mock good ideas, then actually show any respect for the planet that gives us life.

Yes sirree bob those Republicans are doing some serious bizness for the country. They are putting on a real good show.

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Once again, there is no "There" there in your response?

Why don't you give some facts that disprove my allegations then?

Why do you just through out conjecture, and obscure rhetoric?

Help me understand it if you see it differently!

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I don't have a party

I'm registered independent. Well, in Ohio you can't actually register as independent, but you can fail to register in a party. I failed to register as either a Democrat or Republican in the most recent primary.

why are the majority leaders wasting time and money by not allowing the house and senate to vote!

Republicans and Blue Dogs can sign a discharge petition to get any bill out of committee and on the floor. Seeing that you're a committeeman, I'll assume you already know this. If Republicans can't get a majority of votes to even get a bill onto the floor, then they certainly can't get a majority to pass it.

And again, as I'm sure you already know, majority leaders regularly hold bills that have popular support. Is it right? No. But it regularly happens. You act as if the Democrats invented this. In the Senate a minority can keep bills from being voted upon. Again, this is standard procedure. Again, you know this but you're being deliberately obtuse in order to play the victim and cast the Democrats as abusing their majority power.

If you're really upset that pieces of legislation that have majority support but cannot be voted upon for reasons of parliamentary procedure, you should take a look at the many filibusters this session of your own party. But I know you aren't, which is why I know you're being deliberately obtuse.




We all welcome more Republican/conservative voices to SC, but I hope your recent posts are not representative of those to come. Shameless partisanship is usually frowned upon around here.

Please read the posting rules favicon if you haven't already. Generally speaking, at a minimum you're supposed to assume good faith from any other posters and are supposed to use it when responding.

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Hey, thanks for the thoughtful...

...considered response.

I will try to emulate that sensibility in my future posts. ;-)

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So you want justice huh? You might consider this...

A PETITION for
The Impeachment of Senator Barack Obama
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES



Whereas: Senator Barack Obama is an admitted illegal drug user and
is believed to have used illegal drugs as recently as November 1999
or more recently. Mr. Obama has maintained contact with other
admitted illegal drug users.




Whereas: Senator Barack Obama has maintained regular contact
with known criminals such as Antoin (Tony) Rezko and other
criminal elements in Chicago and Illinois. Mr. Obama has
conducted business with these criminals and received campaign
donations from them. Mr. Obama was compelled to return an estimated $250,000 in
donations related to Tony Rezko

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Whereas:
Senator Barack Obama has consistently lied about his
contact with convicted criminal Tony Rezko. The Tony Rezko
corruption trial revealed that FBI mole John Thomas helped investigators
"build a record of repeat visits to the old offices of Rezko and former
business partner Daniel Mahru's Rezmar Corp., at 853 N. Elston, by
Blagojevich and Obama during 2004 and 2005," according to the February
10, 2008 Chicago Sun-Times.




Whereas: Senator Barack Obama has engaged in unscrupulous business
practices, in particular with Mr. Robert Blackwell. Mr. Obama
received an $ 8,000 per month "legal retainer" from Mr. Blackwell
for a total of $112,000 and reported the income through his law firm
in a manner not unlike money laundering. Obama, along with Obama
campaign manager Dan Shomon, procured $ 320,000 in state grants
for Blackwell's company Killerspin. Blackwell companies contributed
over $ 32,000 to the Obama campaign in 2007.




Whereas: Senator Barack Obama used the office of IL Senator to
facilitate the vote rigging in Chicago as chairman of the Illinois Senate
Health and Human Services Committee. Mr. Obama pushed legislation in Senate Bill
1332 to reduce the number of members of the Health Facilities Planning Board
from 15 to 9. Mr. Obama did conspire with Stuart Levine, Tony Rezko and
Rod Blogojevich to rig the committee and was rewarded with campaign
contributions. The new members appointed included 3 doctors who contributed to
Mr. Obama. On April 21, 2004, Stuart Levine explicitly advised Dr. Robert Weinstein,
who is now indicted, of Tony Rezko's role in manipulating the Planning Board's vote.




Whereas: Senator Barack Obama has engaged in lies and deception
about his past. Mr. Obama lied about his contact level with
convicted criminal Tony Rezko, the amounts and sources of
campaign contributions and encounters with the law. A complaint
has been filed with the Bar Association of Illinois alleging
that Mr. Obama did not answer truthfully all questions on the
application to the bar.

 

Whereas: Senator Barack Obama has invoked the FOIA in Illinois
when it was politically expedient and ignored or violated the
FOIA at other times. In the Illinois Senate proceedings of
Mr. Obama, in Senate Bill 1416, pleads the importance of businesses
bidding on state contracts having improved access to FOIA data. When
later questioned about his records during his term in the IL
Senate, Mr. Obama gave evasive answers or refused to supply records.




Whereas:
The First Amendment provides a right for the people "to
petition the government for a redress of grievances." Precedents
exist for impeachment and expulsion of a US Senator. Senator William
Blount was impeached by the House on July 7, 1797 and expelled by
the Senate the next day.

 

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that we, the People, Undersigned,
being citizens of the United States and residents in the Cities and States so
indicated, HEREBY Demand that the Congress of the United States begin
immediate impeachment and/or expulsion proceedings against Senator
Barack Obama.

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www.TheRedWing.com

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I don't support Obama

Why do you assume I support Obama? Partisan blinders?

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That was directed to a post above. Sorry. :-)

n/t

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Good luck with that

The level of ignorance on display in the comments of those who have signed the petition favicon says it all.  YouTube comments seem sane and thoughtful by comparison.  Real nice group of bedfellows you've got there, Red_Wing!

He is not from this country. He is a blatant homosexual, and we are
only months away from medical professionals listing that as a mental
problem. And he is a Zionist that wishes to kill off the american
people including me. Lets get him out of the picture, and then we can
move on to the rest of the sociopaths.

 mr obama ,
should not be a candidate for the pres
of the united states. his experience alone
speaks volumes and you cant by the american people, which he has tried to do! he is not
trustworthy, you can not believe a word he says.
he has no core values, he does not connect
with the american people, he very well
could not be eligible to run for president, as he
has of yet to produce his original birth certificate
and he is in up to his ears with corruption
with mr tony rezko. what a scandal that would
be to have the pres of the unites states arrested
and taken to jail and that is what is going to happen.
all his campaign money is corrupt. the man
is a fraud. and as sold the american people
out for the election to become the pres of the
united states. also my son is over in iraq and he
did not even have the time to stop and shake his hand. shame on you mr obama, and all the dnc
and the politicians who support him. open your
eyes he would sell you out in a minute. i vote
to impeach this man. under grounds of corruption
money laundering and unsing his senate
seat to do illegal favors for his friends!

 He is a crook and also bi-sexual and just might be conected to the murder of the choir director at Rev. Wrights church,

 

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Still guilt by association

But your point is taken.

If politicians were not fit to run for office for "corruption" then we'd have a really hard time finding enough people to run for office.

I knew a guy who raped a 70 year old lady. I even talked to him on occasion since he was in my gym class. Looks like my political career is over. Not to mention that I might be connected to quite a few murders and possibly could be bisexual. I might not, but I might, too.

And what was with the bar color change? I enjoyed your mustard bar!

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Not only do you provide aid and comfort to rapists of

elderly women, but you also lie about bar colors-- why, my bar color is clearly as mustardy as it ever was!

As for guilt by association:  It's only guilt by association if you actually use the questionable associations to make claims about the target beyond just the fact that they associate poorly, whereas I only mention the associations of Red_Wing as a fact unto itself.  I make no claim in that statement beyond the claim that he might be choosing  his associates poorly.

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stinerman is unelectable

darn it. I didn't realize he was spreading rumors about color bars.

Sad. I kind of liked him.

:)

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It is the economy, stupid.

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Hopefully my "youthful indiscretions" won't catch up with me

Maybe I'll move to Colorado and run in your district. At least you could vote for me!

:-)

(no, I won't move to Colorado, you'll have to just admire me from afar)

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Meh, I always sensed he was a flip flopper

Check his military record.  He's probably got a purple heart that he lost less than a quart of blood for, the traitor.

Does he windsurf ungracefully?  Wear earthtones?  Inquiring minds want to know. 

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Great

Now I suppose the fact that I'm considering signing up for the OMR favicon is just a ploy to shore up my right flank.

If I get the job I want, I won't have the time. :-(

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No Pun intended?

Ohio Military Reserve site is under construction

Please "bear" with us.

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Bad Memories

I knew a guy who...

I'm friends with a guy who was known to associate himself w