Welcome back from the weekend everyone! And wake up!
Grenade attack kills 16 police in China - looks like some Chinese Islamists starting trouble (where don't they live?)
Obama leads, but pessimism reigns - if you are pessimistic about Obama's ability to help our economy then you don't have to vote for him ;)
Have a great monday!
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hey Red Wing
Welcome to the site! Good to see another conservative here!
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Thanks ;-)
I got on a little roll with Miss Liberty, and Brutus the other day, couldn't get any "answers" out of them?
Liberals.... LOL!
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McCain's new ad "The One" is Obama = The AntiChrist
and I find it really reprehensible. If you haven't seen it you can view it here
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I'm offended. It's wrong on so many levels. I have to ask the conservatives here a couple things.
Can you really get behind these people? Do they really represent your ideals and what you believe government should be and who & how it should act out?
I'm not addressing whether you are conservative or not, those of you who are, god bless you. I'm addressing the "character" aspect of the guy running and how he's willfully asked Rove to go through the mud in order to get himself elected. You can say, "well, it's just the campaign people saying that" but there is a direct linkage and it does reflect poorly on the man as well as his organization.
Thank god some Republicans like David Gergen get it
and aren't bashful about saying they think it is just a disgrace.
let's just say that McCain represents my ideals
a whole lot more than Obama does.
I am glad McCain is out there hitting Obama hard. And it's not that I am a fan of his - I am not - I am just much much less of a fan of Obama's.
With the whole cult of personality that Obama built in the media you have to hit him personally to break it down. So it's understandable that McCain is doing this. Smart campaign so far.
Today's Rasmussen tracking poll shows McCain slightly ahead for the first time. He really closed the gap.
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Ditto that! :)
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Well, best of luck to you and yours.
I hope you don't bet the house on it though.
While I've long felt that Karl Rove was on par with crap, I now think that unfairly demeans crap. Sadly, I'm adjusting my ways. McCain no longer has any integrity in my opinion. Now he's just pandering to the crazy people and trying his best to scare whom ever he can.
If that's who you feel best represents you......go to town guy.
There's always Barr
I'd bet a few dollars that Bob Barr represents you (and GR for that matter) a bit better than McCain.
GR at least has a (weak) excuse if he votes for McCain since he lives in a swing state. You don't.
I'm pretty sure I'm voting for Nader unless Obama does a 180 and picks a hell of a VP.
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I haven't decided yet.
I know I vowed to vote Libertarian, which means Barr (whom I like in general anyway so this would be a vote FOR someone) but as things look less inevitable for Obama I am beginning to think my vote might actually matter. If there are still enough disgruntled Hillary voters out there, and they still do exist BTW, they could swing the election just by not showing up.
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Living in the same state as GoRight = disenfrnachisement
My votes just get cancelled out :-( Karl Rove might as well have just personally struck my name off the voter rolls, except worse-- I actually have to waste my time punching buttons in the voting booth!
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Your vote is statistically irrelevant
As I pointed out to another conservative who is less than impressed with McCain, it only makes sense to vote your conscience.
It pays to remember that your vote is independent of all other votes (no one else's vote will magically change because you voted for Barr). That is to say, if you vote for Barr, the only way your vote will put Obama in the White House is if McCain and Obama were exactly tied in the vote count and Ohio had enough electoral votes to put Obama over the top in EVs. That scenario is statistically improbable to the point that it can be disregarded.
A much more probable scenario would be that you were to die in a car accident on the way to the polling place, thereby negating your vote. The post office losing your absentee ballot is also more likely than your vote making the difference.
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You're a cynical man, Charlie Brown,
but I like it.
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Ralph Nader.... Bob Barr....
Two grandstanders who are clinging to the fringe glow of the spotlight in their advanced age, because they aren't qualified to do anything else but be demagogues, seeing as demagoguing represents the bulk of their political activity over the past several decades.
They're interesting demagogues, but still demagogues. Not presidental material.
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Agreed
Particularly on Nader. Talk about opportunistic.
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Granted, Nader IS opportunistic, but...
he's made some good points on a lot of things that're wrong with our government. Also, one must bear in mind that the reason that better, safer cars are now being manufactured is part of his legacy. He was good on the environment, too, and G. W. Bush deliberately rolled all those environmental protection laws that Nader put into place back. Disgusting.
The very fact that real Presidential candidates so get treated like scum by the general American public is why we end up with the clowns we get into office so often, if one gets the drift.
You're half right
Nader takes himself a bit too seriously, but he's markedly better than both major party candidates. In fact, I'd agree that Nader would make a horrible president, but I'm voting for his policies, not him. As long as the Democrats continue to be passive-aggressive with their base, I won't be voting for them if I can help it.
The Libertarians had a decent chance of getting my vote (they got it in 2004), but they're content with being the disaffected Republican spillover vote rather than trying to transcend their roots.
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You need the right guy, but...
...I'd love to see someone round out the edges of Ron Paul's platform and make it palatable for the average Republican.
Many Republicans I think would go for abolishing the Fed, and a return to the gold standard, reform of the IRS and the Dept of Education. And a return to Congressional oversight. Even term limits, George Will has a great book out there making the case for term limits
Ronald Reagan I know was in favor of a federalist approach to government, and thought 1913 was the worst year in American history for our nation.
I agree.
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The libertarian part of me likes Barr a whole lot more than
the liberal part of me likes Nader. Nader to me would be Jimmy Carter on steroids. Unable to do one thing.
Na, I'm actually happy with Obama. He'll easily get my vote. My whole issue with McCain is that he's become a total bootlick to the same interests which have OWNED bush43 and promises nothing but more. More of this? Jeez, I would think that even the conservatives here are frightened by that. It's embarasing to see grown men prostituting themselves so.
I'm sorry you were so affected by the ad, but...
Hello Kindness.
Well, I think Obama, as Hillary pointed out months ago by mocking him
regarding this "Chosen One" type of behavior, has played himself into this position.
The ad though was simply meant to show the Obama phenomenon for what it is, a media driven, goose pimply, infatuation with the idea of it all. If you could look at this guy for what he is, and not what they are selling you, I think you'd be horrified.
Why do you support him? What issue is he on the same page as you? Because he has, and continues too, as he did today on drilling, change his positions to suit the polls, he is not committed to anything, anything he will admit publicly now anyway. Think about it.
As far as character goes, please, Barack obama is as dirty a politician as has walked the streets of Chicago. He is a criminal actually, and should be indited. But you know Chicago politics baby.
John McCain is an above board guy who's whole deal is about honor and integrity. He got that from his father who was a Admiral, and he got it in Annapolis and his ensuing military career. He has also been an upstanding mamber of the US senate for 25 years! If there was an issue there, we'd know about it.
Really, the integrity concern my friend is all yours to bear.
David Gergen is no longer a conservative. So that answers that.
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About half right.
I mostly agree with your view on Obama. However John McCain is not "an above board guy who's whole deal is about honor and integrity." At least not now, if it was ever the case. On the contrary McCain has very quickly sold out his stated principles in order to have any real shot at grabbing power.
I give him credit for saying the right things with regards to treatment of detainees (although the charge that he talks a good fight on the issue has some validity), but other than that the last 8 years have been a very sad spectacle for the man.
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What he got from his father
is an elitist connection to the Naval Academy.
He was involved in the Keating Five Scandal.
He switched his position on drilling 180 in the last few weeks and suddenly comes up with millions in backing from the oil companies.
He has blatantly lied several times recently...... particularly on his support of lack or it for the MLK Holiday. McCain is a political opportunist just like any politician.
He lied when he said he was not going to run a Rovian campaign and was all about the issues. He and his wife were both on TV proclaiming their campaign would not be negative.
So please let's not put McCain on some sort of pedestal here. You are starting to sound like a McCain cultist.
Although I do agree that no matter what he does you would find it harmless and excuse it, including getting drunk, stepping on the flag and throwing up hot dogs.
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So now your an elitist if
So now your an elitist if you attend a US military academy, and serve your country, and sit in a box as a POW for 5 years!
You are so off the logic chart, it is amazing to me, as that type of rhetoric is to the average American!
Let me help you understand the Keating 5, as it seems you've been getting your news over at the D/Kos! In 1991, Democratic Senators Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle were found by the Senate Ethics Committee (of the Democratic-led Congress) to have substantially and improperly interfered with an investigation of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, run by Charles Keating.
Two other Senators, John McCain (R) and John Glenn (D) were completely exonerated of any wrongdoing. The record shows that McCain severed all ties with Keating immediately upon the revelation that he was under a criminal investigation. The Ethics Committee said McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."
McCain's only sin was in meeting with regulators on behalf of Keating at all, not because he exerted undue influence -- which did not happen -- but because it could have given that appearance. Basically, he made a rookie political mistake (one he has obviously learned from). But he did nothing actually wrong.
Some Democratic members of the Ethics Committee said that McCain should not even be investigated, because there was no evidence against him. Some people say he was included by the Democrats only to make it look less like the scandal was all Democrats, and that in response to McCain's improper inclusion in the investigation, the Republicans pressed to get Glenn included as well.
The bottom line is that McCain did nothing wrong, and everyone who uses the Keating Five as an example of corruption against McCain either doesn't know what they are talking about, or is being intentionally deceptive.
As far as drilling goes, John McCain is a Federalist in this area, and whether he likes it or not, he acknowledges the rights of States to exercise legislation in their own jurisdictions. He has never changed positions on this.
Funny you choose this issue, as BHO once so 100% against it, SURPRISE, is for it now! LOL!
John McCain lied? Hmmm..? So, back it up, show me proof please. Thank you.
Your post, as do most of your posts unfortunately, contains a lot of drama and absurd rhetoric Miss L, very little if any substance?
You and Obama have that one in common, I'll give you that!
LOL!
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McCain did nothing wrong
check.
Let the excuses begin.
Drama and absurd rhetoric are what win elections.
Would you rather have someone that is smart (elitist) or someone you can drink a beer with. The Bush era begins.
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McCain Caught
in an out and out lie. I have fought to recognize MLK Day in my state
He in fact supported getting rid of
MLK day in his state.
This is just a blatant out and out lie. A pandering lie. What does he think we don't have any of his votes on record????!!!
Conservatives might relish his move to get rid of MLK day in his state. If he has a fair reason for eliminating the holiday, then let him back it up. What does he do..... he Lies.
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Pretty thin line you're treading on this one...
McCain represented the people of Arizona, he was elected to vote the representative vote of the people who elected him.
In the article you provided it states clearly that after initially voting against it, he worked against the then Governor to pass the legislation in his state, Az.
"In December 1999 McCain told NBC's Tim Russert, "on the Martin Luther King issue, we all learn, OK? We all learn. I will admit to learning, and I hope that the people that I represent appreciate that, too. I voted in 1983 against the recognition of Martin Luther King….I regret that vote."
The holiday went into effect in 1986. Only 27 states and D.C. honored the holiday that first year. Activists in state after state tried to prevent it from being recognized.
In Arizona, a bill to recognize a holiday honoring MLK failed in the legislature, so then-Gov. Bruce Babbitt, a Democrat, declared one through executive order.
In January 1987, the first act of Arizona's new governor, Republican Evan Mecham, was to rescind the executive order by his predecessor to create an MLK holiday.
Arizona's stance became a national controversy.
McCain backed the decision at the time. But eventually he changed his mind.
In 1990, Arizonans were given an opportunity to vote to observe an MLK holiday.
McCain successfully appealed to former President Ronald Reagan to support the holiday.
n a letter to voters, Reagan wrote that he hoped Arizonans would "join me in supporting a holiday to commemorate these ideals to which Dr. King dedicated his life."
There is no lie here. He voted against it in the US senate, but then supported getting it recognized in his state. Thats just what he said.
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Your explanation
is so Clintonian, and too nuanced to fit on a bumper sticker.
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Okay...? Whatever thats supposed to mean.
I can assure you there is nothing clintonian about me. LOL!
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I am sorry you were so offended
by what is inherently offensive. It's not your fault that dog whistle politics exists, it's my fault for being offended by it's use.
Compares to:
I am sorry your wife got raped, but... how can you blame a man for raping a woman when she's dressed like that. Obviously if she didn't want to be raped she would have dressed differently.
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Hahahahaha
More dirty than this guy
even? That's pretty dirty!
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Ronald Reagan Takes on Obama
Go Ronnie Go
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RNC shenanigans?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/hess_employee_re...
Apparently a mid-level manager at Hess and his wife gave approximately half of their yearly income to the RNC-McCain fund (McCain Victory 2008).
What tipped off TPM was that 10 employees of Hess all gave the maximum amount under law ($28,500) all on the same day. More interesting was that the Rocchios do not own their home. The obvious insinuation is that they were fronted the money by someone who has already given the statutory maximum.
It doesn't pass the smell test, but there are some reasons why you might want to rent (especially at a time like this) even if you have the dough. Similarly, they might not get most of their money from work income. Or, and this is probably more likely than you'd want to believe, they really think Barack Obama is the anti-Christ/a Muslim terrorist sympathizer/etc. and would give up half their income to help ensure a McCain presidency.
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money is anonymous
This is pretty blatant. Do you think they (or their funders) will be caught and suffer any consequences? I doubt it.
I actually figure that this type of stuff goes on all the time. It's a big reason why I am against campaign finance laws--they are just bullshit that distracts us from real reforms to the system (and complicate our fundamental right to participate in political discourse).
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But how do you reform the system
until you reform financing? So long as the rule is "he who has the gold makes the rule" then the powerful will squash any attempt to reform the system. What needs to be done is to go to a single uniform system of governmenr financed elections and completely outlaw any contributions at all. You participate by communicating with your representatives and by voting. Bribery be damned.
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focus on elections, not campaigns
Well, there are a few possible approaches:
- Focus on elections, not campaigns. Implement systems that make it easier for minor candidates to get votes (and get elected) so that activist networks with reasonable amounts of money can get people elected. Specifically, I would focus on preference ballot systems such as Instant Runoff and the Single Transferrable Vote (a proportional rep system). These reforms should be no more difficult than campaign finance laws, and they actually would put more power in the hands of voters rather than just redistributing power from those with cash on hand to other elites (such as newspaper owners and politicians) .
- Focus on social organizations, not elections: The importance of money arises from the commercial nature of our communication systems (newspapers and TV). If we build alternative communication systems, we can get around these requirements for election.
- Abandon the state: I'm not convinced that the state itself is useful. If the USA is systemically corrupt, perhaps we should just get rid of it....and then decide if we should replace it.
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That's interesting (#1)
Ten years ago I would have said it didn't stand a chance, but with the rise of the internet as a aserious political tool for grassroots organizing and fundraising I'm not so sure.
I think you'd probably still need some amount of finance reform but I think you have a good point.
I have trouble seeing how #2 will work in any kind of near term. There's plenty of ways for people to get information now outside the MSM but they don't because they're lazy. So long as people want vapid entertainment masked as news they're not going to go watch Frontline. It'll be network splashy crap.
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%$#@ed up weekend
This weekend sucked. I had a bunch of appointments for checkups wrt the medical study (I've been on the bg12 for 6 months now), the kids are freaky because of the impending change with them going back to their mom's, and then sunday I find out that a guy I've known for a couple years was apparently just arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography.
The really weird thing about the last matter is I have no idea how to feel about it. On one hand I've been to the guy's house maybe a dozen times. He's not a stranger. But neither is he a close friend. I don't know what evidence there is against the guy. I don't know the severity (are we talking a single pic of a 17 year old girl or thousands of movies of 3 year olds with donkeys).
All I've heard is some fourth hand information, in which the first leg of the journey comes from his wife who is apparently divorcing him over the matter.
I really just don't know what to think. I'm not distant enough to not care nor am I close enough to have any real insight.
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This amused me...
I haven't been reading RS as much since the swap in software mostly because participation was way down and a lot of the participation that was happening was either bitching about the new software or bitching about Obama. Neither of those topics particularly interest me.
But I spotted this comedy gem from Erick today:
Bwahahaha
In Erick-land center-right is now far left. No wonder these guys think all democrats are communists. I'm left wondering at a better example that the fundies have siezed power in the GOP. It's like a Kucinich supporter claiming that the DLC is far rightwing. Except people pay attention.
Ludicous.
Bonus ridiculous points for making the case that thou shalt have no god before Reagan.
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Got a new diary up on DKos
This one
is just a little bit shy of making the rec list :-)
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LOL! Perfectly Done!
Good Job!
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Hehehe
They called me "dishonest" and "silly", but they're the ones that say we can save a million barrels a day with some government program to encourage airing tires.
Let's do some math:
1 million barrels a day = 365 million barrels a year
Yield of gasoline from a barrel of gas = roughly 20 gallons, and that's ignoring the diesel, fuel oil and other useful products that will be made from the remainder of the barrel of oil.
Number of drivers in the US: about 200 million.
So, the number of gallons of gas they say can be saved is 365 * 20 / 200 = 36.5 gallons per driver
Cost savings from inflating under-inflated tires per missliberties: 3 to 5 cents per gallon, or about 1%
To achieve this savings therefore, all of the following would have to be true:
1. Drivers would have to be using on average 3650 gallons of gasoline per year. To put that into perspective, I would have to drive my small but not tiny Chevy Prizm roughly 150,000 miles per year to use that much gas. In actuality, I drive about 10% of that distance.
2. Every single driver would have to have underinflated tires. Of course, the tires on most cars are at least close to properly inflated
3. Every single person with underinflated tires will inflate those tires, and keep them inflated consistently from now on, because the government tells them to do it. Good luck with that!
But I'm the one who is silly and dishonest!
It's a shame that the great "reality-based community" is so full of delusional clones. Someday, the True Democrats will rise from the ashes!
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You are too cynical
"Under inflation is the leading cause of tire failure. Improper tire-inflation pressure can cause severe internal tire damage, which can lead to sudden tire failure. A tire can be as much as 50 percent under-inflated before it is visibly noticeable. Not only are under-inflated tires more prone to damage and failure, but they can lead to higher fuel costs by as much as 3 to 5 cents per gallon."
From the Nascar Website
Considering people will drive a mile to save a penny a gallon, saving three to five cents could add up, beside of course the obvious safety issue for the 'soccer moms'.
Did you know that you can't detect tires that are 50% under-inflated.
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three to five cents...
People aren't motivated by little savings like this that add up over time. It's why people, even people with low incomes, don't clip coupons. Fifty cents here, a dollar there-- a significant number of people will never see how that effort is worth it.
And as far as underinflated tires looking the same as inflated tires? Even worse! That means that if I'm not especially motivated to begin with, I very well might fiddle with my grimy tire and find that it is already properly inflated, and there is no savings at all to be had. What a waste of time for me! That would be the last time that I fiddled around with a grimy tire!
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Skymutt you are being obtuse
This is something you can do for FREE, right now, immediately to get better gas mileage and it actually helps those gas dollars you spend last longer.
If you are motivated to get more bang for your buck it is super easy to put air in your tires.
If you buy tires you get to have the air checked, and the tires rotated for FREE.
As someone who recently replaced my old tires, one which was demanding air weekly, I was pleasantly surprised that it really made a difference in my mileage and how often I was filling the tank.
It simple. It's easy and it's free, or very low cost 75 cents.
If you are too elite to fiddle with grimy tires then I don't imagine you worry about the cost of gas anyway.
Whereas some of us regular folk don't mind bending over and getting our hands dirty and doing the hard work of checking the air. :)A significant number of people will see that the effort is worth it, and it is An Actionable constructive step you can take to save a few bucks.
You have way way way too much cynicism in your eyes, bud. Even Nascar gives tire gauges two thumbs up.
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Hey, my tires are pumped up, missy!
You don't get the high ground on this issue... because I have said over and over that I think that airing up the tires is one of the simple any easy things that everyone should do to save gas. Furthermore, my tires are ON POINT, TIP TOP, and SQUARED AWAY.
The object of the diary, once again, for those certain people who accuse others of being obtuse while being obtuse themselves, was never to criticise Barack Obama for suggesting that we correct our tire pressure, or to suggest that filling one's tires is pointless or not worth it. What I was trying to do was to point out the gap that oftentimes exists between the total amount of waste caused by a particular circumstance in the populace and the portion of that waste that can reasonably be eliminated through government action, in order to illustrate the ridiculousness of the projections in a particular DailyKos diary that some unspecified government action on tire pressure would save one million barrels of oil per day.
I've wrestled with more grimy tires than you'll ever know, MissLiberties; in fact I used to air and change grimy tires every day for a living, and had the bathtub rings to prove it! Elite, my foot!
:-)
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I don't want high ground
I just want better gas mileage!
I'd say we are on even ground right now, or you might be on a molehill just above me, for having a regular guy grimy bathrub ring, Also I didn't read the 'other' dairy so, I really have no ground to stand on.
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Cost Benefi Analysis
What about the cost savings of most smokers dieing at an earlier age and not clogging of hospitals because most of those smokers won't make it past their 60's. I say hand out smokes to high schoolers [but just the cool kids, to trick 'em] and watch as health care plummet 40 years from now.
But, people would need to do check their tire pressure to and do calculation only after rechecking that the tire pressure was correct 2 consecutivet times, to save that money! If cost cannot be directly traced extremely easily, to many people, that cost simply doesn't exist.
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What about the cost
The stats don't lie. Apparently the smokers spend more time in the hospital before they kick off.
See, your mistake is thinking that other people think like you do. People who drive around with their tires at 10 PSI aren't the kind that are going to "do calculations".
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Solution
Kill all the people who don't think like me.
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About time!
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
I thinking about thinking like you...LOL!
n/t
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Quite frankly,
I'm not at all optomistic about Barack Obama's ability to lead and to fix what's broken in our country's system, any more so than I am about McCain's ability and willingness to lead and fix what's wrong in this country. First of all, if United States history is any indication, the last 8 years were a long, long time coming, and, secondly, the problems facing our society are deeply-ingrained problems that've been with us since day one, and have gotten worse.
Also, imho, neither McCain or Obama is fit to lead our country, and Obama really screwed up on the FISA bill by capitulating to it, because it means an extension of the capacities to do more illegal spying, wiretapping, etc., on ordinary United States citizens. Also, he screwed up on t he abortion rights thing. Imho, anybody, no matter who s/he is, who throws our Constitution (or any part of it) under the bus just to save his/her own hide doesn't deserve to get elected dog-catcher, let alone the POTUS.
Capitulate... Naw
Obama has rolled over.
Capitulation implies one goes along begrudgingly.
Obama just waits for the verdict to come in, then claims thats what he meant all along, its amazing!
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