really want to take back control of your party you need to make sure they get soundly defeated this fall.  If they don't lose badly you will never get rid of the current leadership.

you are crazy man.

You are treated pretty well over there as long as you are polite and not TOO controversial.

(Though I admit you would be troll-rated into oblivion with a "Why Torture of Islamofacists is necessary" diary)

You really want to debate the issue again?

I'm a rule of law and innocent until proven guilty fanatic (way too many lawyers in the family) but I'll give you a forum in a bit

Mike already linked to a post that had my main point so I'll just put it here.

The refusal to promote Lt Cmdr Swift after winning a Supreme Court decision in the Hamdan case gives grave doubt to the fairness of any military tribunal. The strong implication is that finding someone charged not-guilty or successfuly defending them could end your career.

AFTFs by the virtue of being Foreign do not automatically get the same rights Americans get. Also AFTFs by the virtue of being terrorist and not a regular POW, do not get to have any geneva protections.

Therefore while I would grant them the "A" for accused and the possibility of being "FA" or falsely accused, the standard of proof for those characters need not be as rigorous as for US citizens nor should their conditions and rules be comparable.

I'm honored to have stimulated your 2nd Dkos diary.  Thanks for giving me credit there, jerk  :).  I like watching the reactions to you in DKos threads, a balance between, "Come on guys, let's kick 'em around while we have the chance!" and "Everyone gather around the poor conservative, and if we rub his belly enough he won't bite us anymore.  Perhaps he will even come home with us."  They always think they gave you some kind of novel argument which will cause an epiphany and your sudden conversion.  Amateurs. 

You do play nice there.  It is fun to watch you duck and weave as a rhetorical strategy whenever something asks for specifics.  Nice job.

Anyhow, I see people at Dkos doing an ok job with your points, but you never really answered my original objections, and since I helped you draw these out, I think I should get some of the action.  Here is my comment :

Thanks for making it easy (14.00 / 1)

I thought you were going to make me sound ridiculous by saying rape, child abuse, etc.

1.  You can take the Russian out of communism, but you can't take the communism out of the Russian.  In capitalism, a wage laborer sells his time rather than the fruits (end product) of his labor for a wage.  The owner (the one who owns the capital) sells the fruit of the labor for a profit.  No absolute here, commie boy.  ;)

2. I guess it depends on what you mean by 'fair,' but again, sometimes a cheaper wage is found in China.  As my mom says, the world is not fair.

3.  See #4.  Sometimes groups associate in collectives.  Not really a universal moral.

4.  See #2. Also, what about Native American tribes, African villages, etc?  Some groups do not have organized government like us, so I do not know how this is exactly a moral.  I think this one is based off your libertarian leanings and not really an absolute.

5.  I agree.  Except models should be judged on external characteristics.  (So, maybe not a universal moral).

6.  Um, Mr. Enlightenment meet Mr. Romanticism.  Tell that to Van Gogh, Hemingway, Freud, and your partner.  The latter will especially thank you on Valentine's day.

7.  Relativism.

8.  I have no problem with it, but the trick is to define it and to dispense it accordingly. (New as per your new additon)

So, how about it.  Universals or not?

Although they have a joking tone, they are serious objections.  For example, I think thaere are times when emotion is rightly prioritized over reason.  Arts for example require passion and emotion.  My example in the comment says the same thing in a smart-ass way.  Hopefully you can seperate the content form the delivery.  Ask if you need help or substantiation or clarification.

the image of my future business, whatever it is, involves the internet so that would fit in nicely with the home business model. Though of course I won't rule out anything.

I really need to start looking into it because I'd love to escape from "Corporate America" :)

I am glad your business is working out for you though.

Some of the people on dkos are fairly cool.

you are just being nice to your mother :)

I am impressed with your entrepreneurial spirit! Not bad for a lib.

hehehe I never underestimate people's ability to feel unreasonably guilty over their own success!

terrorists are not simple criminals. They are waging war so they are combatants. This is why I think "illegal combatants" is a great and fitting term. They wage war without following the rules of war, without any attempt to follow rules of war, by deliberately targeting civilians.

Criminals don't wage war on nations. Terrorists would be soldiers if they had scruples or represented a country interested in having any kind of relations with the rest of the world.

So 1. they are not Americans and 2. they are illegal combatants. For those two reasons I don't think they should have any rights whatsoever.

And she doesn't feel guilty.  Neither do I.

Because many "capitalists" do - like Bill Gates.

that most liberals would knee-jerkedly attack wealth out of preconcieved notions about it. Not only that but they will attack you if you are not interested in "social justice" and redistributing it to all the unfortunates.

I am not saying all liberals are like that but it is the prevailing value system on the left. Class warfare is alive and well.

are not always related to guilt but in the liberal thinking that I see displayed wherever I look they are definitely connected.

If you are wealthy you are supposed to feel obligated to help others because they are the reason you succeeded in the first place. If that is not one of the most absurd precepts I've heard, it ranks up there. Don't tell me that kind of thinking is not present on the liberal side.

of stealing from the middle class to give to the rich is pure idiocy. Don't expect me to care about that one.

It is beyond your miniscule comprehension.

idiotic and false talking points you move on to insults. Bravo.

knowledge of Bill Gates and his motives that we don't know about.

You're not nearly as wise as you think you are.  Some day you'll grow up.  Or not.

would we want the government to support good citizenship, or equal rights for women, or equal opportunity...... all so philantrhopic and well from your pov socialist in nature.

I believe you have confused good  and responsible government with communism, or socialism.

One of these days you are going to have to come into the 21st century and realize that a strong and civil society needs government.

the money. In Ender's world that's all that matters.

And you are so ignorant of the real world, and so self-assured in your ignorance, that I actually feel sorry for you.

Call it a fault of mine.

Terrorist vs Murderer (or wirefrauder as the case me be) sound pretty nebulous.

So, would you call racist organizations terrorists? i.e. if there were some German foreign national funding storm front or Operation Rescue would they count?

Still not sure what you consider to be the legal elements that define terrorism btw.